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Great discussion but still it's all about who is superior type ko

 

How about if we simply talk about 2 docs. Dr. Baburam and Dr. Upendra ?

 

Both of them has honourable position in their own society. Off course most of the people don't have respect for Dr. Baburam.

Everything depends on how they contribute to the society, not only holding degrees. I definately have honour for those who contribute more on their field that could benefit all the people.

 

May be I am wrong, correct me.

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QUOTE (okinawa @ Oct 21 2003, 08:46 AM)
QUOTE (manchilds friend @ Oct 20 2003, 03:32 PM)
... but it does not change the fact that societal perceptions of medical docs are more favourable than PhD docs.

 

FACT ??????????????????????

how can u conclude so confidently that "the fact that societal perceptions of medical docs are more favourable than PhD docs" ..... what is your source so that everyone of us can be familiar with your word "FACT"... Do u have any Sources/references? Can i go thru' any Int'l (or national) journals, publications regarding that FACT ? Has any one presented that FACT in any Conferences??

Has anybody done the case study: comparison b/n MBBS and Ph.D. - which is honorable to the society?

If u don have the particular source, u can't use the word "FACT"... it's not like any mathematical derivations or geometrical theorems.

Okinawa,

 

Have you always been this pedantic? ... or do you have to work hard at it?

 

You are deliberately using my choice of words out of context ... and as a result maliciously misrepresenting me.

 

The whole thread began with a simple enough question: To find out whether the PhD doc or the MBBS doc held the more honourable role in society.

 

I believe that society holds MBBS docs in higher regard.

 

I base this belief on anecdotal evidence accumulated through experience. My first post was an atttempt to justify my reasoning. But Rajunpl responded in a manner i thought defied logic.

 

I am not aware of any case studies done in this regard .. but undoubtedly okinawawould be the first one to paste it on this board crying "FACT, FACT"

 

Now it is a fact (note: lack of case study, okinawa) that none of us are gonna reach a consensus here. It was not my intention to cause offence here ... but, clearly .. i seemed to have touched a raw nerve.

 

... I cannot give you arguments backed up by published scientific data down to the p values ... all I can do is impart my thoughts, ideas, rationale and views.

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Machilds bro and distant sis.. (last time maile bro bhanya thiye.. laugh.gif )

 

ke tauko dukhayee rako.. bhanya.. laugh.gif Hamro jhilke bro le bhane jastai, Dr. Baburam ra Dr. Upendra ma kun badhi hounrable chha? Euta PhD Dr, ra arko, MBBS, MD...... etc.. Dr.

 

tara kura ghumer aauncha feri.. kasko laagi hounrable? simple answer people say for society? But what is definition of society and what kind of society? Society of ill/sick people? Society of Bollywood people? society of refuge people? Sabai ko laagi eutai khalko manche utikai honourable hundaina.

 

It would be better to ask , which is honourable profession? Medical Dr. profession or Research profession? blah blah.. tara je bhaye pani, sayad dherai ko laagi, Teaching profession is most hounourable profession, either it is kinder garden teaching or University level teaching.

 

Malai laagchha, hamro distant sis lai love parya chha Dr. field sanga, that is very good ni sis.. timi ramro dr. hunu parchha. nepal ma gayer sabai ko rog niko parnu parchha. Hami lai timi jasto Dr. profession sanga blind love pareko DR chahiyeko chha ke.

 

Finally, best and decent way to end this dispute is by agreeing to disagree preserving their own belief.

 

tehi.. waqqa bhako

allare..

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"I give u 100 pts. on ur above statement. Let me off my hat a second too.

HOWEVER, I can read ur mind-- "why one has to ask abt BE/MBBS and PhD to the children...... " Is it their level of deciding, putting arguments?????? Children are such that if u give them a COIN of 1 Re, they will be happy rather than if u give 10 Rs notes... do u know why.. they can make noise from the COIN....they can play with it..... are u gonna ASK abt MBBS/PhD to those little child?????????????????????????

COMMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come above to their level. Don mix up with those innocent bachaharu sanga. "---okinawa

 

kina talbetal kura garya?? aphu bachha jasati kura garya chha!!! whether you or anyone else likes it or not..MBBS docs are considered more honorable in the society. Despite phd being the highest degree that you can acquire, who in nepal actually cares whether you're a specialist in a subject or not when it doesn't directly affect them. the point of me raising the issue of kids wanting to be docs and enginneers..(which you so wrongly interpretated!!)..was that it shows the value of the position the people with the MBBS degree hold. and don't estimate the 21st century kids...they are far more cleverer than you think...10/11 yr old can think for themselves, they aren't as gullible as perhaps you'd like them to be!

 

"Malai laagchha, hamro distant sis lai love parya chha Dr. field sanga, that is very good ni sis.. timi ramro dr. hunu parchha. nepal ma gayer sabai ko rog niko parnu parchha. Hami lai timi jasto Dr. profession sanga blind love pareko DR chahiyeko chha ke."--allare

 

blind hoina dai, quite the opposite, i know what it entails!!

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distant sis,

 

Actually why i am little bit annonyed that, you only claim and claim and claim. thats all. Through out all your post, you have hardly gave any logic to support your claim. You are just repeating same thing again and again.. like..

 

nai..malai tehi keti chahincha.. nai.. malai tehi keti chahinchha.. laugh.gif

 

just give some logic to support your claim. why they are honourable.. you only says again and again that they are hounrable and PERIOD.

 

ani sis, blind ko opposite ke khuncha? what does it entails? you sounds like talking about semantics of opposite of blind?

 

looking for logic...

allare..

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ok..allare bhai/dai...not quite sure...but if you combed through the posts finely you'd have realised why i vouch for a medical doctor and as for the reiteration, if i have to repeat it a million times then so be it, it's what i believe in...whether anyone else agrees to it or not! i've supported my points across just fine!

 

"nai..malai tehi keti chahincha.. nai.. malai tehi keti chahinchha.. "

 

what the devil does that mean, how's the related to anything??

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QUOTE (distant_memory @ Oct 21 2003, 02:37 PM)
ok..allare bhai/dai...not quite sure...but if you combed through the posts finely you'd have realised why i vouch for a medical doctor and as for the reiteration, if i have to repeat it a million times then so be it, it's what i believe in...whether anyone else agrees to it or not! i've supported my points across just fine!

"nai..malai tehi keti chahincha.. nai.. malai tehi keti chahinchha.. "

what the devil does that mean, how's the related to anything??

distant sis,

 

belief is something else than reality. If you are talking just about your belief then who the hell other cares. I can say, stone in my village is must honourable for all villagers than anything else in world. Their is no logic, this is just my belief. Whether it is true for all or not does not matter, as far as I do not force other to believe in my belief.

 

Beliefs are not to be repeated, it should be kept inside if there is no enough logic to support it.

 

the song known as cry song laugh.gif "nai malai tehi keti chahincha.." is also like same thing , one guy crying over his belief to get the girl, no matter how their parents tried to pursue him. The guy was just saying "nai malai tehi keti chahincha.. nai .. ke nai... malai.... " infinite....

 

This is related because, you are also doing same thing here. This is my opinion hai feri.. no offense.

 

while replying, you do not reply all the question related to you. like in last post i said, what does opposite of blind entails for you? you kept quite, and there are lots of instance in this thread, where you kept your eyes blind intensionally or non-intensionally.

 

tehi.. khoee.. ke bhanne..

allare.. ( malai bro bhane huncha sis, no tension of dai or bhai ) laugh.gif

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ok you want reasons....that's easy enough!

1. MBBS- a vocational degree that relieves people from pain, gives them a better sense of living...cure people

2. medicine is the doctors lives...the patients are always put first, give up time to eat and sleep just to serve the patients' needs....compromisation of family and leisure time.

3. PLAY GOD, deciding what's best for the patients, the patients think you're GOD...

(beat that!!!)

4. to be a doctor, must face all competition, must be in the top percentage...hence must be academic (phd people don't have to be toppers...average will do!!)

5. doctors..a bigger impact on people

6. medics do research and are finding medicines all the time that are of use to people.

7. spreading knowledge--publishing, teaching, reasearching, experimenting....

8. play a bigger role in the society overall, in contact with every type of human.

9 non-judgemental and non discriminating...will treat everyone and anyone... rich/poor/educated /noneducated....!

10. be patient and perserve for 5 yrs just to get through batchelor level...face stress, unhappiness and find a drive to get you going...(one of the hardest course to get through)

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Distant sis.. nice to see your sympathy towards medical dr. I really admire you for that. Wish all have same kind of sympathy towards poor medical MBBS Dr.

 

1. MBBS- a vocational degree that relieves people from pain, gives them a better sense of living...cure people

 

Who gives them vocational degree? Who invents those cure for pain? who teach them to have better sense of living?

 

2. medicine is the doctors lives...the patients are always put first, give up time to eat and sleep just to serve the patients' needs....compromisation of family and leisure time.

 

who taught them to think that medicine is the doctors lives? Who taught them all good things you mentioned about medical MBBS Dr. ?

 

3. PLAY GOD, deciding what's best for the patients, the patients think you're GOD...

(beat that!!!)

what is GOD? just decide without knowing its consequence? what kind of patients think that they are GOD? There are lots of people in my circle, who hates MBBS dr. as much as they can than anything else in this universe.

 

4. to be a doctor, must face all competition, must be in the top percentage...hence must be academic (phd people don't have to be toppers...average will do!!)

 

If you go to Bihar, you will find lots of people getting Dr. by getting passed in third division that also after attempting 4-5 times in SLC. ( what do you mean by average? getting 80-90% is average for you? )

 

5. doctors..a bigger impact on people

 

who said this?

 

6. medics do research and are finding medicines all the time that are of use to people.

 

Do not make me laugh by saying that MBBS Dr. do research to find medicine. It says that you even do not know what is medical Dr.

 

7. spreading knowledge--publishing, teaching, reasearching, experimenting....

laugh.gif how many MBBS Dr. in nepal have made publication? few example will be suffice.

 

 

8. play a bigger role in the society overall, in contact with every type of human.

who said this again? how are they in contact of every type of human? Thats why there is always lack of MBBS Dr. in lots of rural part of nepal.

 

 

9 non-judgemental and non discriminating...will treat everyone and anyone... rich/poor/educated /noneducated....!

you are dreaming.. wake up.. laugh.gif wake up.. laugh.gif any proof ?

 

10. be patient and perserve for 5 yrs just to get through batchelor level...face stress, unhappiness and find a drive to get you going...(one of the hardest course to get through)

so what? who said that its one of hardest course? have you done PhD and MBBS Dr and comparing them?

 

distant sis, again.. what you posted these 10 points, all are claim, they are not reason to prove that poor MBBS Dr. are most hounourable..

try again, with some good logic..

 

tehi..waiting for some reasonable logic..

allare..

 

 

 

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Mr. Allare,

 

I appreciate the conciliatory tone of your post.

You claim to be a logical man ... i have no reason to think otherwise.

 

But ... what does seem clear to me (and please correct me if i'm wrong) ... is that you have made up your mind about this argument.

You even said yourself "There are lots of people in my circle, who hates MBBS dr. as much as they can than anything else in this universe". So it becomes apparent that whatever I say ... whatever distant says ... will make no impact at all.

 

You have not even conceded one point raised by distant ... that seems fairly odd to me ...

 

Perhaps your views are clouded by your experience in Nepal. Believe me ... there is a world outside of Nepal ... Conducting research and publishing data are not unheard of in British medical schools (that is a fact )

 

 

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